Arvol Looking Horse & Lin Da Pimp


Arvol  uses a high profile location, to create another Media Hype Campaign  that will generate  social tension and unrest, by trying to put the blunt of  responsibility on Forestry for having to extinguish a  Fire.


After Forestry canceled a special use permit that was issued for a Fire at San Francisco Peaks in Arizona. Arvol accuses Forestry of violating human rights, desecrating sacred land, and continuing over 500 years of genocide, while he uses the youth to exploit ancestry, culture and tradition for recognition and awareness. press release by Brett Ramey here (whoa! press release removed 7-15-2012)

Basically the same AIMster programing is being used to tap into the youth’s frustrations, angers and ignorance with indoctrinating talks of massacres, genocide, government oppression, setting them up to attack like the armored dogs of the  Conquistadors.

video by:  youtube user LinDaPimp

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Considering the design of the  fire pit, I can not see any reason for the FS to have made a decision to cancel the special use permit, the design seems to create a very low possibility for fire no matter how dry/arid the area might be. Then again, considering the climate of the 4corners region, timber burns extremely clean. Memories recall  smokeless, red, orange, blue and white flames of fires in my past.  Something is not being told here, and at this point , no one knows who is not telling what.

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update: 7-10-2012 – Lies and deception enter the issue

Brett Ramey’s press release is half truth , Shawn Mulford refused the special use permit. The Forestry made exceptions for a closed area to be used. The area Shawn and the gathering group demanded would not be allowed a Fire due to excessive fuels in the area from a previous fire (fuels being charred timber and excess kindling on the ground).

The gathering group was notified well in advance, if a fire was built, Forestry would be forced to extinguish it, if the gathering did not do so on their own. Forestry Reply: What Shawn Mulford did and  what Brett Ramey did not say in the press release


Brett Ramey who wrote the press release, who declares Ioway ancestry (kansas) , who grew up in the cities and farm life in Kansas, who  lived very little if any rez life, who works with youth programs in flagstaff did not give the full facts. He is being used or a participant in the deception.

Still waiting to put faces, names to the “Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples Council” mentioned in the press release. After numerous requests for who they are, one name pops up so far, Bennett Lyons, Council Member, at a conference for the Indigenous Peoples Law & Policy Program Conference , at the University of Arizona, April 26-27, 2012. (2 months ago)

Bennett Lyons is listed as speaker about Language, Culture, Sacred Sites along with Sherri Mitchell. The conference unofficial transcripts April 27, includes Sherri Mitchell who is the Executive Director for Land & Peace Foundation who does legal representation for Sacred Site Protection and Religious Freedom, giving a speech on behalf of  Bennett.

Bennett Lyons at the Conference 

Bennett Lyons (Native Language): I came to deliver a message from my relatives. We got together and I know we are not given a lot of time and I mentioned that to them and they said, Pray anyway, and nobody can stop me from praying. I will keep on praying while Sherri Mitchell delivers the statement. (Sherri address’s the panel for Bennett)

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There is no doubt in my mind the San Francisco Peak incident was staged to exploit culture and spirituality for Media Coverage and now it appears another reason might be for career goals ? Wondering if someone is trying to get in with the circle of S. James Anaya and if Anya himself might cash in on the exploitation.

The more i dig into this, the more humoring it gets because the unfolding of this issue is such a redundant script of AIM mentality and tactics. Very sad too, considering the way culture, a gathering and Fire is being “used”.

The saddest part is,   if the above is valid, relative to exploitation, using one another and culture in these ways, People will say  it is acceptable, because it is for the cause. 

That is to say, it is ok to lie, decieve, use one another, exploit culture and spirituality because it will help aboriginal rights. Just where did those teachings come from, AIM.

Who will pop their head up next?

Conference site:

Speaker List:

Conference unofficial transcripts April 27

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Shawn the guy in the video toted off by Forestry, apparently was advised in advance of the consequences prior to even opening up the Fire. Whoever was conducting this activity should have closed that fire before forestry got there, if they knew forestry was coming in to extinguish it, OR if it was not closed, whoever was conducting should have asked forestry for time to do so, before water was sprayed to extinguish.

Not that any of the above matters, because Forestry gave the members  advanced notice not to open up a fire and the members did so anyhow. Before extinguishing the fire, Forestry asked for someone with the gathering group to close it, they refused.

I fail to understand why the responsible person or persons who generated that fire, opened a door and called upon ancestry, would not close the sitting in a formal peaceful manner. Instead those responsible, allowed that occurrence to turn into havoc. That is very disrespectful to everyone involved and any ill movement that might occur is the result of those who are arrogant. People who elect to align themselves with people that conduct in such ways, are assisting with the continuance of creating internal turmoil. The foundation for promoting division, unrest and hatred.

Jeff Osborn the forestry worker, out of respect, was the only person in the youtube audio that apologized  for what was occurring.

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Audio of YouTube in Text

starting at time interval 2:00 min;

fs> are you sure you want me to do this? (fs talking to gathering attendants, after Shawn was toted off)
> > No body here wants you to do this
> > it’s your consequences, you are going to pay your consequences

fs> i want you to do this, i really would like for you to put out the fire (forestry talking to gathering member expressing it’s best for him to close the fire)
> > you are going to harm yourself, watch what you are dong

fs> i have to put out the fire,
>> thats your choice, be careful for your family, you be careful, (background voice, comment about wounded knee massacre) , be careful for your children,

fs> (Jeff Olsen) alright, i apologize …. sound of water sprayed into pit

note: pipe is on stone wall of fire pit throughout the whole disruption, not being tended to

>> they will stay close to you, all of you, remember what you did
(background voice,  “we have elders among us”) , this is a violation of our religious, is there a sheriff here? , i want him charged with a violation of our religious act

ALH > Jeff Osborn, you are violating our human rights , right now, as indigenous people to this land. You are desecrating sacred land, you are continuing over 500 years of genocide on people, that’s what you are doing right now, think about that, know that, NO, NO, NO this is you and more ranting

Jeff Osborn tries to reply, the group aggresses him verbally

>>> Time for you to go back across the water, back to Europe, that’s where you belong.

fb – United Word of Indigenous People

fb – Sacred Mountain Defenders

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update 7-14-2012 – Who Arvol is Setting up Camp With

Craig J. Johnson: Just for everyone’s information, this was a group of native fundamentalist and NOT a tribe with 1000s of years of continued ceremonial use. The fire was put out because of extream fire danger. Which this group refused to accept even after being told that they could not start a fire in such a heavily fueled area.Friday at 4:30am

Craig J. Johnson: The thing is that many native Nations have performed ceremonies on the mountain in the past few weeks and they respect the increased fire danger, but this group of fundamentalist were the only group that refused to respect the no fire restriction.Friday at 4:56am

Craig J. Johnson: I know who they are because I met with them. I have spoke to many native peoples and tribes and this group is NOT a tribe but rather a group of people who express fundamental ideas. It’s not up to me to judge if their practices are legitimate, but I do know by definition they are a fundalmentalist group. I have been told by tribes that this group is not legitimate and do not practice authentic ceremonies.Friday at 6:13am

Craig J. Johnson: @ Heather, I work with tribes everyday and many of them expressed displeasure of a “Pan-Indian” group performing ceremonies that come across as legitimate. Again, it is not up to me to judge what is legitimate or not but the tribes have told me this is an ongoing problem with the mixing traditional ceremonies and contrived ceremonies and coming across as legitimate. Sounds more like a new age group than a traditional ceremony.
Friday at 6:27am

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It is not necessary to “threaten or try to impose fear” through the use of ancestry,  that is  B.S , the act of using ancestry in such a way is abusive and an illness. It is very evident from the way this unfolded and the intent of the comments, that members primary concerns are not for ancestry or all people to be affected by this charade.

To verbally assault Forestry worker Jeff Osborn  serves no purpose except to escalate tension and conflict. It falls right in line with the shAIMster mentality and character. The video shows such a fine example of shAIMster verbal assaults, like a pack of attack dogs, towards people that try to reply to questions posed.

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The more I watch this mans actions, the more I wonder! Neat how he positions himself  in the background of a weeping young woman,  who likely does not comprehend the extent of how she is being used.

Who’s Responsible

Whoever opens a Fire, takes on the responsibility to tend it as well as close it. The issue of the fire being place into a position of having to be closed, could have gone 2 directions. The responsible person doing so, or as it turned out, Forestry extinguished.

Out of respect for tradition, culture, ancestry and all parties to be affected, especially  those who are up in arms about the outcome, had the responsible person closed the Fire,  people would not be filled with higher levels of  frustration, anger and hate, that they are projecting towards Forestry, so called “white” /people of European ancestry, outside religions and governments.

If the responsible person had_closed the Fire, people would still be upset, thou not near the degree that people are now because of “it” being forcefully extinguished by outside influences, which leaves it informally, not completely  closed, in peace. Arvol should not have allowed this, that is  his responsibility as a mentor.

In choosing the option of having the Fire forced closed, media attention is escalated turning the occurrence into a hyped up media show for  recognition and awareness. It’s abuse of ancestry and spirituality.

If people are not able to see this  character trait, then they deserve to stay within the grips of  disrespect, abuse and manipulation that will move into future generations  prompting  violence towards others and one another.

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update: 7-13-2012 – Keep in Mind

Who’s Original Home Lands are in Focus

I feel pretty confident in saying “if any of the spiritual councils within the 4 mountains were in support of this issue and how it was conducted , they would have spoken up by now.”

A Lakota and a Miccosoukee (from my understanding) claim rights to conduct a fire on San Francisco Peaks under the definition of “indigenous”. Neither of those people are aboriginal people of the region within the 4 mountains.

‘Aborigine’ comes from the Latin words ‘ab’ meaning from and ‘origine’ meaning beginning or origin. It expresses that Aboriginal people have been there from the beginning of time.

Aboriginal is an adjective and used to describe ‘Aboriginal people’, ‘Aboriginal rights’, etc’

People should really caution the term “indigenous” , it in no way implies “from the beginning” and it has an alternative in it’s definition,

There will come  times, such as this, when interested parties will exploit the vagueness of it’s definition.

indigenous:
* having originated in and being produced, growing,
OR
* living naturally in a particular region or environment

“little grandmother” could be indigenous by definition , if she lives naturally in the environment. Euell Gibbions is indigenous by definition since he lived naturally within the environment.

whereas

aboriginal, is fixed, no alternative in definition; being from the beginning of time

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The grand pooh-pah of indian ceremony is still at it

Looking Horses plan to hand over our Freedom of Religion to US Govt control… Read More

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There are no secrets, there is no magic, there is only common sense -RedRain-

Hopefully someday  people will  recognize

“the one who tries to hide what “it” don’t know to begin with.”

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U.S. Forestry Contacts:

M. Earl Stewart Coconino Forest Supervisor
Phone: (928) 527-3600
Email: estewart@fs.fed.us

Corbin Newman Regional Forester
U.S. Forest Service, Southwest Region
333 Broadway SE Albuquerque, NM
87102

Email: cnewman02@fs.fed.us
Janie Hipp Senior Adviser for Tribal Affairs USDA
Email: janie.hipp@osec.usda.gov

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Caption for photo above, with perspective of gathering group:

Released by SacredMountain Defenders, a group opposing a recreation project that is being developed on the mountain. Shawn Mulford who organized the gathering and media hype is a member of the SacredMountain Defenders.  Brett Ramey’s who created the press release is also affiliated with that same group. 

Chief Arvol Looking Horse onlooking as a U.S. Forest Service official puts down the ceremonial sacred fire on the Holy San Francisco Peaks, Arizona. The Traditional Cultural Gathering had been previously granted permission by the Forest Service. As the four day ceremony was initiated on July 4, the Forest Service Supervisor threatened the gathered Indigenous spiritual leaders, medicine people, and elders with legal implications if they keep the sacred fire alive.

Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples
Formal Statement
July 6, 2012

“The Creator gave the Aboriginal Indigenous Nations of the People Laws to follow and responsibilities to care for all Creation. These instructions have been passed down from generation to generation from the beginning of Creation. It is the Law that no one can overpower the Creator’s Law, you are a part of Creation, thus if you break the Law, you are destroying yourself.

We speak on behalf of all Creation: the four legged/those that swim/those that crawl/those that fly/those that burrow in the Earth/the plant and tree Nations. This one life system includes the elements of fire, water, earth and air, the living environment of “Mother Earth”.

The Sanctity of the Creator’s Law has been broken. The balance of life has been disrupted. You come into life as a sacred being. If you abuse the sacredness of your life then you affect all Creation. The future of all life is now in jeopardy.

We have now reached the crossroads. As Aboriginal Indigenous People we ask you to work with us to save the future of all Creation.”
The Holy/Sacred Ceremonial Fire unites us as Aboriginal Indigenous Nations of the People on our threatened Holy/Sacred Mountain (San Francisco Peaks) on July 4-7th 2012.

The holy/sacred ceremonial fire renews our connection to all Creation, it carries our prayers and represents all life. When it pertains to our ceremony or ceremonial fire it is imperative for the Forest Service to acknowledge that the Indigenous Peoples are the sole authority on our culture and way of life and any decisions that do not attain our free, prior and informed consent are not consistent with the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

A great urgency is in our midst with the wind, water and fire showing it’s power because of the imbalance from over management. As these fires burn, throughout the west and around the world, they are forever disrupting and destroying not only homes of the two-legged, but also many lives and homes of the animal, plant and tree Nations.

After much time spent on educating the Forest Service on the importance of our role as the Original Caretakers of this Land. We feel great sadness for the Forest Service as they have given the Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples Council no choice. The choice to violate our own cultural protocols or face legal implications is not consistent with creating a working relationship with Indigenous Peoples. The holy/sacred fire will continue. We refuse to participate in this atrocity; it is up to the Forest Service to determine whether they will disrupt these prayers. We will have no part in this act! Our prayers are to protect the sanctity of the threatened sacred/holy mountain including forgiving those that continue to desecrate life. We are spiritual people and we maintain peace through our ceremonies.

We are united under the Creator’s Law. We are from various Indigenous Nations and are spiritually related. We have been placed on our lands as Aboriginal Indigenous Nations of the People with sacred instructions and responsibilities placed within us by the Creator to follow the Laws of the Creator. Federal agencies use terms like federally recognized and federally unrecognized. We see this as your way of dividing the Indigenous Peoples. We are united under the Creator’s Law, as United Indigenous Nations, to protect and extend Life for all future generations.

REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNCIL

Chief, Arvol Looking Horse
19th Generation Keeper of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe
Spiritual Leader
Lakota, Dakota and Nakota Nations

Bobby C. Billie
Clan Leader and Spiritual Leader
Council of the Original Miccosukee
Simanolee Nation Aboriginal People

Source:
http://www.indigenousaction.org/forest-service-threatens-legal-implications-and-assault-of-sacred-fire-at-sacredholy-peaks-ceremony/
https://www.facebook.com/nuvatukya.ovi

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34 Responses to “Arvol Looking Horse & Lin Da Pimp”

  1. jpwade Says:

    FWD:
    Thank you for your letter and inquiry regarding the Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples Council and actions taken by the Forest Service to restrict use of fire during a recent ceremony held by the Council.

    The Coconino National Forest became aware of the July 4-7 ceremony several months beforehand, and immediately began working with Shawn Mulford, the key organizer of the ceremony, to coordinate logistics and possible times and locations for the ceremony.

    Upon arriving, Mr. Mulford insisted on a specific location, which was located in an area that was associated with the Schultz Fire and closed in June 2011 due to a large buildup of hazardous fuels and increased threat of a wildfire.

    As is the normal protocol for any person or group desiring to camp in a closed area, the Coconino National Forest worked with Mr. Mulford to develop a Special Use Permit that would allow them to camp in the closed area for their ceremony. Mr. Mulford refused to sign the permit, so no permit was actually issued.

    Due to extreme fire danger and dry forest conditions, many national forests in the southwest, and also tribal lands, entered Stage 2 Fire Restrictions in June (Stage 2 is an increased level of restrictions due to extremely dry conditions that prohibit fire of any kind across the forest, as the smallest spark or ember in such conditions can create a wildfire).

    Knowing of the importance of the ceremony, the Forest Service notified Mr. Mulford in June of the restrictions, and numerous attempts were made by the Forest Service to work with Mr. Mulford to accommodate the Council’s ceremony and offer alternate locations and times—in a place and during a time when extreme fire danger and threat to the surrounding community was not a concern. Mr. Mulford resisted any offers and maintained that the ceremony must be held at the closed location and that fire be allowed.

    When told that he could not have a fire, Mr. Mulford refused to notify the rest of the Council of the fire restriction and insisted that the Forest Supervisor notify the Council in person when they gathered for the ceremony. The Forest Supervisor did meet with the Council and notify them of the fire restrictions and reasons for such, also delivering a copy of the Closure Order and Fire Restrictions, once again offering to work toward an alternate location where perhaps the fire might not be a threat.

    For weeks, and even for the first two days of the ceremony, the Forest Service tried to engage in discussions, requesting that the Council follow current fire restrictions for the safety of the community, as there was a current 7,600-acre wildfire in the southern part of the national forest and conditions were still extremely dangerous. Mr. Mulford and the Council insisted on maintaining a fire, and since all offers were refused, the Forest Service had no choice but to extinguish the fire and issue a citation to Mr. Mulford.

    We respect and honor the Council’s desire to hold their ceremony as well as their cultural and religious rights, and we have worked to try to find an alternate location and time for the ceremony since it includes fire during a time of extreme fire danger and fire restrictions to the public.

    In addition, there have been multiple ceremonies held by different tribes in the last couple of months that the Forest Service has worked closely with who have refrained from using fire due to the extreme danger.

    We must often make tough decisions such as closing an area to any camping and fire and understand this is a difficult decision for the Council to accept. However, the protection of the Coconino National Forest and public health and safety is our goal. We are duty bound to protect and preserve our country’s forest and the communities that live in and around it.
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    Craig J. Johnson, M.A.

    Tribal Relations Specialist / Archaeologist

    Coconino National Forest Supervisor’s Office

    1824 South Thompson Street

    Flagstaff, Arizona 86001

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  2. Jessie Wych Says:

    For what it’s worth, the “weeping young woman” is a brilliant and politically savvy person. I’ve been with her at locally organized gatherings and ceremonies. Please don’t condescend to her.

  3. jpwade Says:

    Jessie, the comment made is not with intent to condescsend her, it is what it is, she is being used by Arvol and those who staged this media hype while exploiting culture, tradition, ancestry and spirituality. The responsible people of her pain are those who staged the charade for awareness and recognition, those same are responsible for forcing Forestry to extinguish that Fire.

    Review, Suzanne Dupree’s blog entry, and you might gain a better understanding of some of the nonsense Arvol has been involved with for years, and for those who choose to align themselves with his actions, they can expect more pain, no different than those of the past he has used.

    Looking Horses plan to hand over our Freedom of Religion to US Govt control…

    http://lookingbackwoman.wordpress.com/2011/12/03/ok-after-reading-the-last-post-on-the-proclaimation-alhs-his-co-conspirator-players-fastforward-to-2009-james-arthur-ray/

  4. Marianne Says:

    Sorry, but the many generations of genocide and ethnic cleansing have left a mark. The imbalance is ready to be corrected. Arvol is the Keeper of the Sacred Pipe brought generations ago to fulfill these moments now. Respect. May all the relations once again live together in peace and balance. May all who are privileged to walk upon Earth now find a good way. Mitakuyue Oyasin.

  5. jpwade Says:

    Marianne, do you find it interesting that Arvol cannot produce proof of his lineage to the original family of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe care takers, the Elk Head family? To this day, he is still being requested to do so by Lakota, Nakota, Dakota peoples. He also refuses to share with the Lakota, Dakota, Nakoda people, publicly the sacred bundle he says he carries , a bundle that is meant for the people, not meant to be hidden away in secrecy.

    Makes one wonder what’s being hidden eh?

    Arvol is “not” an aboriginal person from within the 4 mountains region, and to the best of my understanding neither are any of the others that conducted the gathering, thou some of the attendees were. He and any other can declare themselves indigenous (to live naturally within the environment) all they want to try and place themselves anywhere to maintain rights , but it still does not make them “people from the beginning of those homelands” unless their ancestry is from those lands (as per the definition of Aboriginal).

    Then again, Arvol does have some serious questions looming over his head about identity, so maybe it is best he identify himself as “Indigenous” which could also include the likes Euell Gibbons, since he lived naturally within the environment.

    In case you have forgotten, by tradition we touch base with those who’s lands we are within and gain their blessings before we set up camp. Apparently the grand pooh-pah of spirituality believes he represents all and has full access to anywhere on this or the southern continent.

  6. Marianne Coats Says:

    Are you a Lakota. Dakota or Nakota?

  7. jpwade Says:

    Marianne Coats , the question posed to you is

    “do you find it interesting that Arvol cannot produce proof of his lineage to the original family of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe care takers, the Elk Head family? To this day, he is still being requested to do so by Lakota, Nakota, Dakota peoples. He also refuses to share with the Lakota, Dakota, Nakoda people, publicly the sacred bundle he says he carries , a bundle that is meant for the people, not meant to be hidden away in secrecy.

    Makes one wonder what’s being hidden eh?

  8. Marianne Says:

    Ok, to answer your question then, I do not find it interesting, but then I know what is going on. I also don’t wonder what is hidden since it is not hidden from me.

  9. jpwade Says:

    Marianne Coats, Great!!! , please share why Arvol refuses to cease the fraud as requested by the Elk Head Family.You can review the family request to Arvol at

    https://jpwade.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/marie-elk-head-fiddler-the-arvol-looking-horse-lie/

    the page includes writings re-blogged from Suzanne Dupree and it also includes a video of Marie Elk Head Fiddler who is a Grand daughter of William Elk Head

    Since it is not hidden from you, you really should share your experiences and knowledge with the Elk Head Family. I bet Suzanne will be pleased to communicate with you as well.

  10. Marianne Says:

    They haven’t asked me to.

  11. jpwade Says:

    knock, knock, knock, anybody home?

  12. Marianne Says:

    Sorry, I’ve spent the last few hours reading all the material you directed me to. I do not see a request to Arvol.

  13. jpwade Says:

    right after the youtube video of Marie Elk Head on the last url i posted or , at LBW blog, http://lookingbackwoman.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/looking-back-woman-on-the-pte-hincala-cannunpa-kin/ , no i do not hold any Lakota ancestry , that i know of, thou it would not surprise me in the least for somewhere throughout the Mississippi river basin’s to have relatives that do. especially when one considers the language group spanned in parts all the way to the east coast.

  14. Marianne Says:

    Ah, ok, I saw it, thanks.

    Standing by the first statement.

    Nonetheless the truth on Oglala and Cheyenne River is multi-layered and complex. Anna Mae’s family has been badly treated and I will not dispute their knowledge or claims. AIM was over the line. But something had to be done about Dickie Wilson and his Goons, and the US Gov’t and the Vatican’s assault on Native Culture. The People are all damaged from the effects of colonization, but they were up against the true devils…Wiasicu. There’s truth for you. How many NDNs did white guys rape and kill since they arrived these last 300 years?

  15. jpwade Says:

    the atrocities of the distant past have been well acknowledged and recognized, that’s a given, in these modern times you had better take a closer look at those who have hijacked the spirituality and continued to conduct ceremony with the blood of innocents on their hands, to include those who have deceived people into believing they are carriers of bundles that supported those same with blood of innocents on their hands, if it has power , it moves, and what was born out of the days of wk2 continues to grow in strength causing a slow death from within. Arvol, AIM Leadership, and all that accepted their ill behavior and cherished their lies and deception and bastardized teachings are responsible for the social dysfunction of today in rez life, here we are a generation later and people are still pointing the finger at incidents as far as 500yrs back, in place of having the recent responsible people in our own back yard take accountability for where we are at now. and based on your last post of brainwashed mentality, expect more to come.

    The same goes for the current charade by Arvol forcing the hand of Forestry to extinguish a fire and turning it into a media show so that he can continue to point the finger at incidents as far as 500yrs ago. Not saying that movement is not still alive today, I am saying Arvol and affiliates are doing no different than the oppressors. That is , creating internal turmoil which is the foundation for separation and generating anger and hate. He and his affiliates have a lot of people right where he wants them, and if people are to blind to connect the dots, and elect to align themselves with the likes of him, that’s their choice to continue being tools for the power,control ego trips that he is thrashing within …. your last question should be, how many women and children in the last 40yrs have been raped and beaten, how many have been murdered, from those who have aligned themselves with the bastardized teachings of those previously mentioned. ….. today and now is what counts, so nurture them if you must to full fill what you lack in identity, that which you will never receive from their lead that has blinded you with hatred …. best to ya.

  16. Marianne Says:

    shi…not even. The last People were forced onto rez’s not 150 years ago by the data you’ve referred to on these sites. Did you read it yourself? Anyway, you kinda sound like a mole with an agenda.

  17. jpwade Says:

    Marianne Coats, for such a concerned person Arvol is suppose to be why is he aligning himself with such a group? update in blog with links provided

    update 7-14-2012 – Who Arvol is Setting up Camp With

    Craig J. Johnson: Just for everyone’s information, this was a group of native fundamentalist and NOT a tribe with 1000s of years of continued ceremonial use. The fire was put out because of extream fire danger. Which this group refused to accept even after being told that they could not start a fire in such a heavily fueled area.Friday at 4:30am

    Craig J. Johnson: The thing is that many native Nations have performed ceremonies on the mountain in the past few weeks and they respect the increased fire danger, but this group of fundamentalist were the only group that refused to respect the no fire restriction.Friday at 4:56am

    Craig J. Johnson: I know who they are because I met with them. I have spoke to many native peoples and tribes and this group is NOT a tribe but rather a group of people who express fundamental ideas. It’s not up to me to judge if their practices are legitimate, but I do know by definition they are a fundalmentalist group. I have been told by tribes that this group is not legitimate and do not practice authentic ceremonies.Friday at 6:13am

    Craig J. Johnson: @ Heather, I work with tribes everyday and many of them expressed displeasure of a “Pan-Indian” group performing ceremonies that come across as legitimate. Again, it is not up to me to judge what is legitimate or not but the tribes have told me this is an ongoing problem with the mixing traditional ceremonies and contrived ceremonies and coming across as legitimate. Sounds more like a new age group than a traditional ceremony.
    Friday at 6:27am

  18. Marianne Says:

    I read your stuff. Clearly you have a vendetta against Arvol and intend to have it out online. What good purpose does that serve? How would I know what Arvol thinks or why he does what he does? And if, as you seem to be implying, Arvol is defiling the ceremonies with his Christian belief system, why would you not leave it to Creator to sort out as with everything else that pertains to the world outside your skin? Do you believe in the power of the sacred pipe? Then why do you worry for its power and protection? Do you believe the traditionalists? Then why do you worry, when Pte San Winyan walks again already on the planet herself? These are the questions that I have now from reading your story.

  19. jpwade Says:

    Whoa! Brett Ramey press release removed, Perhaps I should post email correspondence about the Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples Council that he refuses to release contact information for , LOL

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    July 6th, 2012 tamra

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    Friday, July 6, 2012

    CONTACT: Brett Ramey Phone: (928) 310-8059 Email: brett@liverealnow.org

    Forest Service Threatens Legal Implications and Assault of Sacred Fire at Sacred/Holy Peaks Ceremony

    *Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples Council Statement attached.

    FLAGSTAFF, AZ — U.S. Forest Service officials have threatened Indigenous spiritual leaders, medicine people, and elders with legal implications if they keep alive the sacred fire at a ceremony on the sacred/holy San Francisco Peaks.

    Although a voluntary closure order for the Traditional Cultural Gathering was previously granted by Coconino Forest Supervisor M. Earl Stewart, Stewart apparently changed his position and issued the threat as the four day ceremony was initiated on July 4th, 2012.

    When confronted by Forest Service officials, members of the Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples Council, the group hosting the Traditional Cultural Gathering, invited Forest Service officials to sit with elders to resolve the Forest Service’s concerns with the ceremonial fire. Coconino Forest Supervisor Stewart stated in a letter dated July 5, 2012, “non-compliance will result in citations for having a fire during restrictions and/or camping in a closure area without a special use permit.”

    Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples Council had worked to inform the Coconino National Forest of this ceremony since December 2011 and again met with Coconino Tribal Relations on February 27 and June 21 of 2012 to answer questions and to make sure the Forest Service was fully aware of the Council’s activities.

    On May 17, 2012, the Forest Service was notified that a sacred fire was central to the Traditional Cultural Gathering.

    The Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples Council is calling for support to address this serious disruption and violation of the Traditional Cultural Gathering. Please call and email the following Forest Service officials and urge them not to assault and desecrate the sacred fire:

    M. Earl Stewart Coconino Forest Supervisor Phone: (928) 527-3600 Email: estewart@fs.fed.us Corbin Newman Regional Forester U.S. Forest Service, Southwest Region 333 Broadway SE Albuquerque, NM 87102 Email:¨cnewman02@fs.fed.us

    Janie Hipp

    USDA

    Senior Advisor for Tribal Affairs

    Email: Janie.Hipp@osec.usda.gov Contact President Obama and urge him to fulfill his 2008 campaign promise to support “legal protections for sacred places and cultural traditions, including Native ancestors burial grounds and churches.”

    President Obama: Comments: 202-456-1111 Online Comments: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

    ###

    Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples

    Formal Statement

    July 6, 2012

    “The Creator gave the Aboriginal Indigenous Nations of the People Laws to follow and responsibilities to care for all Creation. These instructions have been passed down from generation to generation from the beginning of Creation. It is the Law that no one can overpower the Creator’s Law, you are a part of Creation, thus if you break the Law, you are destroying yourself.

    We speak on behalf of all Creation: the four legged/those that swim/those that crawl/those that fly/those that burrow in the Earth/the plant and tree Nations. This one life system includes the elements of fire, water, earth and air, the living environment of “Mother Earth”.

    The Sanctity of the Creator’s Law has been broken. The balance of life has been disrupted. You come into life as a sacred being. If you abuse the sacredness of your life then you affect all Creation. The future of all life is now in jeopardy.

    We have now reached the crossroads. As Aboriginal Indigenous People we ask you to work with us to save the future of all Creation.”

    The Holy/Sacred Ceremonial Fire unites us as Aboriginal Indigenous Nations of the People on our threatened Holy/Sacred Mountain (San Francisco Peaks) on July 4-7th 2012.

    The holy/sacred ceremonial fire renews our connection to all Creation, it carries our prayers and represents all life. When it pertains to our ceremony or ceremonial fire it is imperative for the Forest Service to acknowledge that the Indigenous Peoples are the sole authority on our culture and way of life and any decisions that do not attain our free, prior and informed consent are not consistent with the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

    A great urgency is in our midst with the wind, water and fire showing it’s power because of the imbalance from over management. As these fires burn, throughout the west and around the world, they are forever disrupting and destroying not only homes of the two-legged, but also many lives and homes of the animal, plant and tree Nations.

    After much time spent on educating the Forest Service on the importance of our role as the Original Caretakers of this Land. We feel great sadness for the Forest Service as they have given the Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples Council no choice. The choice to violate our own cultural protocols or face legal implications is not consistent with creating a working relationship with Indigenous Peoples. The holy/sacred fire will continue. We refuse to participate in this atrocity; it is up to the Forest Service to determine whether they will disrupt these prayers. We will have no part in this act! Our prayers are to protect the sanctity of the threatened sacred/holy mountain including forgiving those that continue to desecrate life. We are spiritual people and we maintain peace through our ceremonies.

    We are united under the Creator’s Law. We are from various Indigenous Nations and are spiritually related. We have been placed on our lands as Aboriginal Indigenous Nations of the People with sacred instructions and responsibilities placed within us by the Creator to follow the Laws of the Creator. Federal agencies use terms like federally recognized and federally unrecognized. We see this as your way of dividing the Indigenous Peoples. We are united under the Creator’s Law, as United Indigenous Nations, to protect and extend Life for all future generations.

    REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNCIL

    Chief, Arvol Looking Horse 19th Generation Keeper of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe Spiritual Leader Lakota, Dakota and Nakota Nations

    Bobby C. Billie Clan Leader and Spiritual Leader Council of the Original Miccosukee Simanolee Nation Aboriginal People

  20. jpwade Says:

    Marianne Coats, in ref to your comment, “I read your stuff. Clearly you have a vendetta against Arvol”

    Arvol has not once put out a request for the likes of those with blood of innocents on their hands to discontinue conducting ceremonies, actually he endorsed them for many years, up until the point that their lies and deception started to unravel in “public” view.

    That fact in itself makes him a participant in the ill movement that continues as result of those actions.

    No vendetta here, it’s no regard for him, what he has done, along with other ill actions he continues to partake in.

  21. Marianne Says:

    So you say, but you do not prove. Such works of ill that you are creating are likely to roost in your own house…..you might want to reconsider that. You are a white guy, right?….’nough said.

  22. jpwade Says:

    Marianne Coats, the race card is finally dealt, i do not categorize my identity in any specific “race” since my ancestral being is quite inclusive , which btw includes northern and southern families of 1st nations, both sunrise groups, it also includes African and European relations as well. i do not cut out part of my heart and separate it for any such codification or prioritize it’s levels. Doing so only generates strife. Sounds to me like, that is a part of yourself, that you have conflict with, so keep your separation and turmoil. To answer your curiosity of my identity, i am an aboriginal person of the Atchafalaya Basin, a swamp that throughout time has been, and still is fed by the tributaries of the Mississippi River Basin and the St. Lawrence water ways. A swamp that feeds the Gulf Stream and until you take that journey you will not be able to comprehend what originating from the beginning actually means to people such as this swamp mutt.

    As said before, with the blood of innocents on their hands, they continue to produce ill effects, cherish and nurture what you want, you have been taught well. 🙂

  23. Marianne Says:

    No, my problem is with descendants of the same Eurobrats that decimated the people and rewrote the history doing the same now. Which tribe claims you? Are you doing what you are doing with the elder’s permission? Who asked you to do this? If it is really from the Natives, why aren’t you doing it in a good way?

  24. jpwade Says:

    Marianne Coats, in ref to your comment “descendants of the same Eurobrats that decimated the people” are you speaking of the decedents, within beings, that burnt ancestral history in DC and at WK2, those same beings that hijacked Lakota Spirituality for their personal agenda’s and needs.

    good luck with them as your mentors, see ya later gator 🙂

  25. Marianne Says:

    Was that a question? Or just another attempted manipulation. If I see you later, Gator, remember this. The grandmothers have something to share with you.

  26. jpwade Says:

    Marianne Coats, you sound just like the pathetic idiot in the youtube of this blog entry , who’s intent is to use ancestry to threaten people. Tuck yourself closer under the wing of Arvol, am sure your vendetta will worsen and eventually turn inward. He has the likes of you just where he can make the most use.

    for “you”, just call me Ishi, as in Ishi Red, better known as Indian Red, the crayon removed from the box of colors 🙂
    https://jpwade.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/influenced-to-live/

  27. Marianne Says:

    You haven’t given anything to prove you are not just some white guy that hates indians. Same old same old. You certainly haven’t shown a familiarity with the ways. Call me what you like, you know nothing about me or who I do anything with. Answer the questions I posed and I might have something to go on. Otherwise, you merit the epic FAIL on your argument for lack of substantiation.

  28. jpwade Says:

    Marianne Coats, the race card you use was worn out and old before you started using it.

    Arvol has not produced verification of his lineage to the original family of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe care takers, the Elk Head family. To this day, he is still being requested to do so by Lakota, Nakota, Dakota peoples.

    He also refuses to share with the Lakota, Dakota, Nakoda people, publicly the sacred bundle he says he carries , a bundle that is meant for the people, not meant to be hidden away in secrecy.

    you say
    “I also don’t wonder what is hidden since it is not hidden from me.”

    as mentioned to you,
    “Since it is not hidden from you, you really should share your experiences and knowledge with the Elk Head Family. I bet Suzanne will be pleased to communicate with you as well.”

    quit trying to hide those truths,

    a message Ann ThunderHawk ,

    more at blog entry: https://jpwade.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/marie-elk-head-fiddler-the-arvol-looking-horse-lie/

  29. jpwade Says:

    back to the facts of the blog entry:

    Shawn and Brett are both affiliated with the protest group of the San Francisco Mountain Peak recreational project that is to be built.

    Indigenous Elders and Medicine Peoples Council , has not had any faces, names attached to it except Bennette Lyons who 2 months ago had Sherri Mitchell give a presentation for him. Sherri does legal representation for Sacred Site Protection and Religious Freedom. (requests for contact info for the council from Bret and Shawn has been denied)

    Forestry offered a special use permit to the gathering group, in a closed area. Shawn refused permit and forestry made all parties aware if a fire was built, what the outcome would be. A fire was denied in the permit because of risk factors.

    Brett Ramey’s press release is half truth , Shawn Mulford refused the special use permit, created a fire and forced forestry to extinguish it.

    Arvol sat in and watched , then stepped in with his accusations and finger pointing.

    Culture, Tradition, Spirituality & Ancestry was “used” for media coverage and recognition. The charade has done nothing more than create separation, havoc and ill feelings for all involved. Considering this , i find it difficult to call their fire “sacred”, thou i would call it “abusive”

  30. Joan Says:

    -thanks for the truth coming out… ALH and AIM are bully abusers, and women and men who follow them are programmed to obey, and to use ideological rhetoric with rage…

    -so what?

    -the new/ancient good red road leads to teachings on our own character defects, and with much surprise and chagrin, one learns and moves on, becoming hopefully a better person because of it…

    -I see no humility and kindness here, I hear no words of self reflection and wonder, I read no insights, just ideological rhetoric, taunts and self importance

    -thanks to those few who are standing up to the bullying and abuse, including the forestry service, J. Wade and a few others…

    -the true Sacred, I think, makes contact with us, not us with them… and it is without publicity of any kind, which is something unknown to bully/abusers and their sycophants

    -when you have the honour of being Lakota, you must remember those ancestors who are ancient ones of much purity and insight… that’s why they were chosen by WBCPW

    -if you are a modern mind/modern world Lakota, caught up in the degradation and momentum of this age, without roots, following the mirages and illusions from within, as well as without, you will experience… what? you tell me… not the fantasies, but what are you experiencing…

  31. jpwade Says:

    Joan, it is so good to see people such as yourself without fear express what they see occurring, your words deserve the acknowledgement as that below by a very special woman because you refuse to be consumed, corrupted and led around on a leash;

    “lots of arm chair activist that when push comes to shove will stand on the line thank you for crossing it with me”

    In the Spirit ….

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  33. Looking Back Woman-Suzanne Dupree Says:

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    How they are working it….
    Thank-you, Joe for providing this information of how they are!

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